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SteveTN 12467003
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 Post:35687 Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| Sam Sloan in BINFO#200700832 wrote: | | I
will be taking a delegation of kids from my neighborhood in the Bronx
to the National Elementary Championship in Nashville on May 11-13... |
So, now that it has been established that Sloan will be at the
Nationals even though the EB meeting will be elsewhere, what will
everyone that was aghast that he might show up do NOW?
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DACP 12447542
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| Post:35699 Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| SteveTN wrote: | | Sam Sloan in BINFO#200700832 wrote: | | I
will be taking a delegation of kids from my neighborhood in the Bronx
to the National Elementary Championship in Nashville on May 11-13... |
So, now that it has been established that Sloan will be at the
Nationals even though the EB meeting will be elsewhere, what will
everyone that was aghast that he might show up do NOW? |
More importantly, wouldn't it now make sense to have the Board meeting
in TN since it is the budget meeting and they could have the one day at
the office as was originally discussed in part 11 of the last link of
the Sunday meeting?
Donna Alarie
Massachusetts Delegate |
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Kurs 11468071
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| Post:35747 Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| DACP wrote: | | SteveTN wrote: | | Sam Sloan in BINFO#200700832 wrote: | | I
will be taking a delegation of kids from my neighborhood in the Bronx
to the National Elementary Championship in Nashville on May 11-13... |
So, now that it has been established that Sloan will be at the
Nationals even though the EB meeting will be elsewhere, what will
everyone that was aghast that he might show up do NOW? |
More importantly, wouldn't it now make sense to have the Board meeting
in TN since it is the budget meeting and they could have the one day at
the office as was originally discussed in part 11 of the last link of
the Sunday meeting?
Donna Alarie
Massachusetts Delegate |
More importantly to me, has disclosure been made to the parents of
these children, concerning Mr. Sloan’s felony history, ‘colorful’
website and the concerns expressed by other people here? On a lesser
note, is the USCF in any way liable for any such non-disclosure by an
USCF EB member working with children?
As an AYSO soccer referee with 5 kids in that program, I know this
is a possible concern of parents and probably the main reason for Susan
Polgar’s reaction to the EB meeting (one member anyway) at the same
time and place as a major, scholastic tournament. I’m guessing some
parents may take this very seriously. In AYSO SaveHaven training I’ve
attended, it went so far as saying not to pat kids (male or female) on
the back, or a parent might take it the wrong way.
http://soccer.org/Programs/SafeHaven/
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samsloan 11115292
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| Post:35748 Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Kurs wrote: | | DACP wrote: | | SteveTN wrote: | | Sam Sloan in BINFO#200700832 wrote: | | I
will be taking a delegation of kids from my neighborhood in the Bronx
to the National Elementary Championship in Nashville on May 11-13... |
So, now that it has been established that Sloan will be at the
Nationals even though the EB meeting will be elsewhere, what will
everyone that was aghast that he might show up do NOW? |
More importantly, wouldn't it now make sense to have the Board meeting
in TN since it is the budget meeting and they could have the one day at
the office as was originally discussed in part 11 of the last link of
the Sunday meeting?
Donna Alarie
Massachusetts Delegate |
More importantly to me, has disclosure been made to the parents of
these children, concerning Mr. Sloan’s felony history, ‘colorful’
website and the concerns expressed by other people here? On a lesser
note, is the USCF in any way liable for any such non-disclosure by an
USCF EB member working with children?
As an AYSO soccer referee with 5 kids in that program, I know this
is a possible concern of parents and probably the main reason for Susan
Polgar’s reaction to the EB meeting (one member anyway) at the same
time and place as a major, scholastic tournament. I’m guessing some
parents may take this very seriously. In AYSO SaveHaven training I’ve
attended, it went so far as saying not to pat kids (male or female) on
the back, or a parent might take it the wrong way.
http://soccer.org/Programs/SafeHaven/
Dwight |
It is not a secret and I have told everybody and indeed my website
was set up ten years ago just to publicize this situation that I was
convicted of the "attempted abduction" of my own daughter in a child
custody case when in reality my daughter was kidnapped away from me.
I have been fingerprinted and I am certified to teach chess in the New York City Public Schools and Libraries.
I have never been arrested, charged, convicted, accused or
investigated for any other offense other than the aforementioned child
custody case.
I think that most parents would be more concerned about the large
number of scholastic coaches, trainers, directors and so on about whom
nothing is known rather than about me about whom everything is known.
Sam Sloan |
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George 10004748
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| Post:35751 Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Well
if something were to happen and I was a lawyer, this very thread would
show that the USCF knew about Sam and possibly did nothing.
I say the USCF is super liable for all those kids if Sam does
something. There is no way to get out of responsibility. NOT NOW.
The USCF is just waiting for the BIG BANG to do something about this HUGE PROBLEM.
Of course the USCF is responsible for the loose cannon it allows to run
around. This loose cannon is also a member of the USCF EB.
What do you think the 12 members of the jury are going to think. All of
them are going to find USCF GUILTY AS CHARGED and award the children
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. If anyone here thinks the USCF can claim no
responsibility based on some legal detail technicality, I will
guarantee the JURY will blow right through that attitude.
GOOD FINALLY MAYBE THE USCF WILL DO SOMETHING BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.
You now have fair warning. You better do something IMMEDIATELY or I
hope they hang all of you personally for the stupidity of this
organization.
If I was on the JURY, I do not think there is enough money on earth to cool my anger at the USCF for not stopping this guy. |
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samsloan 11115292
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| Post:35752 Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| George wrote: | Well
if something were to happen and I was a lawyer, this very thread would
show that the USCF knew about Sam and possibly did nothing.
I say the USCF is super liable for all those kids if Sam does
something. There is no way to get out of responsibility. NOT NOW.
The USCF is just waiting for the BIG BANG to do something about this HUGE PROBLEM.
Of course the USCF is responsible for the loose cannon it allows to run
around. This loose cannon is also a member of the USCF EB.
What do you think the 12 members of the jury are going to think. All of
them are going to find USCF GUILTY AS CHARGED and award the children
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. If anyone here thinks the USCF can claim no
responsibility based on some legal detail technicality, I will
guarantee the JURY will blow right through that attitude.
GOOD FINALLY MAYBE THE USCF WILL DO SOMETHING BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.
You now have fair warning. You better do something IMMEDIATELY or I
hope they hang all of you personally for the stupidity of this
organization.
If I was on the JURY, I do not think there is enough money on earth to cool my anger at the USCF for not stopping this guy. |
Not stopping this guy from what? Playing chess?
And who are you anyway, George? |
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Kurs 11468071
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| Post:35755 Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| samsloan wrote: |
It is not a secret and I have told everybody and indeed my website
was set up ten years ago just to publicize this situation that I was
convicted of the "attempted abduction" of my own daughter in a child
custody case when in reality my daughter was kidnapped away from me.
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Have those parents been directly informed?
| samsloan wrote: |
I have been fingerprinted and I am certified to teach chess in the New York City Public Schools and Libraries.
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Fingerprinting is normal with convicted felons. Do they know about your two felonies? Where is this certification documented?
| samsloan wrote: |
I have never been arrested, charged, convicted, accused or
investigated for any other offense other than the aforementioned child
custody case.
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You still skip that second conviction. Strike two. If your canidate
statement appears as it was posted here, I don't feel you've even met
the disclosure policy set for EB canidates.
| samsloan wrote: |
I think that most parents would be more concerned about the large
number of scholastic coaches, trainers, directors and so on about whom
nothing is known rather than about me about whom everything is known.
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Any parent should be concerned about anyone dealing with their
kids, but most don't have your record. I don't think everybody knows
about you. That's your fantasy.
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Brian Lafferty 13592564
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| Post:35756 Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Kurs wrote: | | samsloan wrote: |
It is not a secret and I have told everybody and indeed my website was
set up ten years ago just to publicize this situation that I was
convicted of the "attempted abduction" of my own daughter in a child
custody case when in reality my daughter was kidnapped away from me.
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Have those parents been directly informed?
| samsloan wrote: |
I have been fingerprinted and I am certified to teach chess in the New York City Public Schools and Libraries.
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Fingerprinting is normal with convicted felons. Do they know about your two felonies? Where is this certification documented?
| samsloan wrote: |
I have never been arrested, charged, convicted, accused or
investigated for any other offense other than the aforementioned child
custody case.
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You still skip that second conviction. Strike two. If your canidate
statement appears as it was posted here, I don't feel you've even met
the disclosure policy set for EB canidates.
| samsloan wrote: |
I think that most parents would be more concerned about the large
number of scholastic coaches, trainers, directors and so on about whom
nothing is known rather than about me about whom everything is known.
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Any parent should be concerned about anyone dealing with their
kids, but most don't have your record. I don't think everybody knows
about you. That's your fantasy.
Dwight |
As the parent of a nine year old daughter, I would have absolutely no
problem letting my child attend Nationals with Sloan present. I don't
leave my child alone, particularly while traveling, with anyone I don't
know and trust implicitly. Even that isn't any guarantee that a child
is going to be safe when left alone with another adult. How many
children are abused/molested by blood relations and step-parents?
Answer--far too many. It's the predator ( NOTE I am NOT labeling Sloan)
you don't know who's most dangerous. |
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Smith 12816225
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| Post:35758 Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Sam is not a convicted sex offender or child molestor. He was accused of kidnapping his daughter in a child custody dispute. Those who keep bringing up this felony are barking up the wrong tree.
Now, if you want to bring up other aspects of his character that you
believe make him unsuitable to be around children, you might have a
valid argument. |
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mnibb 12818435
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| Post:35761 Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Smith wrote: | Sam is not a convicted sex offender or child molestor. He was accused of kidnapping his daughter in a child custody dispute. Those who keep bringing up this felony are barking up the wrong tree.
Now, if you want to bring up other aspects of his character that you
believe make him unsuitable to be around children, you might have a
valid argument. |
Every time we mention those other aspects, they keep getting deleted 
Seriously, I am concerned about the spectacle that might occur if some
knowledgeable parents or scholastic committee members stage a protest
of Mr. Sloan being there. Of course they would have every right, free
speech and all.... There is no need for Sloan to be there around 5th
and 6th grade boys and girls. Does he have a team attending that he
coaches or is he on the staff of the tournament? Can't someone convince
him that it isn't good for the USCF for him to attend?
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| Post:35766 Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Smith wrote: | Sam is not a convicted sex offender or child molestor. He was accused of kidnapping his daughter in a child custody dispute. Those who keep bringing up this felony are barking up the wrong tree.
Now, if you want to bring up other aspects of his character that you
believe make him unsuitable to be around children, you might have a
valid argument. |
Sloan's website provides a litany of his adventures with youthful females.
He has also claimed that he "went all the way" with a 17 year-old
female whose family trusted him when he befriended them. That 17 year
old, of course, was Susan Polgar. Polgar states with great conviction
that she repudiated Sloan's attempted liaison, and has labelled his
recent statements about her response to his advances to be both
dishonest and defamatory.
Whether Sloan is correct about how far he proceeded with Ms. Polgar
is irrelevant to this discussion, though. It is clear that Mr. Sloan
attempted to have an extremely inappropriate liaison with a 17 year old
girl, whether he succeeded or not. And there will be 17 year old girls
at this event.
Given Sam's admissions on his website about his encounters with
youthful females, and his admitted conduct with a 17 year old girl, I
think Polgar's concerns are well justified.
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ueschessmom 13470792
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 Post:35767 Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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actually dubious about Sam Sloan's original statement that he is taking
a "delegation of kids from his neighborhood in the Bronx" to the
Nationals. Most of the NYC kids who go to the Nationals go with a team,
not a "delegation." How many kids are in his delegation? Who is funding
this trip? Chess-in-the-Schools? A private donor? Is he going as coach
or chaperone? I think he is playing the provocateur here and hoping to
get a fight going between the folks who want the EB meeting in
Nashville and the folks who are disturbed by the prospect of Sam Sloan
strolling around the Opryland Hotel or, even more disturbed by the
prospect of Sam Sloan and the anti-Sloan forces coming to blows
(speaking of which, did anyone else see the piece about the fight that
broke out at the Village Chess Shop on Thompson Street? Here is the
link: http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/features/29459/) |
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Smith 12816225
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| Post:35768 Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Chris,
I agree that Sloan's website has some distasteful content (putting it
mildly). My point, however, is that has nothing to do with his felony
convictions. Crying felon felon felon really doesn't add much weight to the argument. |
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SusanPolgar 12452240
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| Post:35771 Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| chrisfalter wrote: | | Smith wrote: | Sam is not a convicted sex offender or child molestor. He was accused of kidnapping his daughter in a child custody dispute. Those who keep bringing up this felony are barking up the wrong tree.
Now, if you want to bring up other aspects of his character that you
believe make him unsuitable to be around children, you might have a
valid argument. |
Sloan's website provides a litany of his adventures with youthful females.
He has also claimed that he "went all the way" with a 17 year-old
female whose family trusted him when he befriended them. That 17 year
old, of course, was Susan Polgar. Polgar states with great conviction
that she repudiated Sloan's attempted liaison, and has labelled his
recent statements about her response to his advances to be both
dishonest and defamatory.
Whether Sloan is correct about how far he proceeded with Ms. Polgar
is irrelevant to this discussion, though. It is clear that Mr. Sloan
attempted to have an extremely inappropriate liaison with a 17 year old
girl, whether he succeeded or not. And there will be 17 year old girls
at this event.
Given Sam's admissions on his website about his encounters with
youthful females, and his admitted conduct with a 17 year old girl, I
think Polgar's concerns are well justified. |
He absolutely lied! There is no other word to properly describe what he
said. All he did was verbally solicited me and he was invited to leave
and never welcome back. The forum officials are more than welcome to
ban me for the above statements but there is zero truth to what he
said.
My first boyfriend was GM Julio Granda as it was widely documented and
I was in my early 20's. I was not even allowed to date until I was 18
as I fully concentrated with my chess. Just about every event in my
life was documented since I was 4-5 years old when I won the Budapest
Girls under 11 at the age of 4 with a perfect 10-0 score. I cannot
believe that I have to repeat this over and over again.
I find it very disturbing that he is allowed to continue to
fabricate information day after day on the official USCF forum. I find
it even more disturbing that there are a few people who actually
support his despicable conducts.
I would never ever want my children or any of my students in the
same room with him. His character is unsuitable to be near children. It
is not in the best interest of the USCF if he shows up at the National
Elementary Championship. But of course the best interest of this
federation is never his concern.
Best wishes,
Susan Polgar
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